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21 March 2008 @ 07:21 am
Just to be contrary  
One way to describe a lace-and-absinthe Goth:
"She's not pushing up the daises, but she does go round and give them an encouraging pull."
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silver splits the blue: LaBlueGirlashbet on March 21st, 2008 02:51 pm (UTC)
Love it!

-- A ^_^
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 21st, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)
Use it, spread it, enjoy.

... wow. On reflection, that might be the dirtiest thing I've said today.

Edited at 2008-03-21 03:25 pm (UTC)
silver splits the blue: Lickyashbet on March 21st, 2008 03:29 pm (UTC)

-- A ^_^
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 21st, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
So, I comment that I find something I myself said dirty... and you answer me with an icon where you're doing your best Gene Simmons impression.

Dirty girl. ;)
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Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 21st, 2008 03:25 pm (UTC)
Then you know it's true. :)
Ace Lightning: art decoacelightning on March 22nd, 2008 12:34 am (UTC)
i get a visual of an overweight, spotty 17-year-old girl in a long black dress and black lace fingerless gloves, picking daisies, being careful to choose the ones that have already begun to wilt, so she can wear a dead bouquet in her cleavage...

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 22nd, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's about right. :) Certainly one possibility.
Ace Lightning: goth roseacelightning on March 22nd, 2008 06:23 am (UTC)
well, daisies wilt much more easily than roses... ;-)

(speaking of goths... go here and here. the two of them and i could all be sisters...)

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 22nd, 2008 04:18 pm (UTC)
Ehh... cousins, at best.
Ace Lightning: mugshotacelightning on March 23rd, 2008 02:18 am (UTC)
three crazy old fat broads, anyway ;-)

and as long as i'm being off-topic... you might want to read what Elf Sternberg has to say about Alexander James Adams.

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 23rd, 2008 02:55 am (UTC)
So, we're treating this as a whole different person? This is a somewhat difficult fiction to deal with; is the person inside entirely different? Is there no continuity to be considered? This is not a person who sprang full-formed from the skull of his predecessor. History is a tapestry and no one, not even the person living it, can simply unravel the threads and act like there's nothing that comes before or after "now."
Ace Lightning: rainbow roseacelightning on March 23rd, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
i am rather surprised that Elf Sternberg, whose writing deals with all sorts of gender fluidity, feels that Heather is gone and some stranger has taken her place. mind you, i never saw Heather perform, nor have i seen Alec, but i just can't believe that there isn't enough of Heather's personality, or even soul, left to provide continuity. every trans person i've known before, during, and after transition has been mostly the same person inside, and even more "themselves" after they make the outside match the inside. i think i'll go back over there and mention this to Elf.

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on March 23rd, 2008 02:07 pm (UTC)
Elf seems to be responding to the "whole new history" fiction that Heather herself/Alec himself started, though. Heather's website and information have all seemed to support this idea that Alec is a whole different person who has been granted Heather's authority and rights to continue with her work.

If that's what she wants to do, to treat her new male self like a totally different life, then so be it. It isn't my life to lead. I don't apologize for being thrown or off-put by it. I've got no problem handling the idea of f2m trans; it's the acting like there are two separate people involved that I find problematic.
Ace Lightning: brainacelightning on March 24th, 2008 06:07 am (UTC)
yeah, that's the part i find disconcerting myself. i mean, i've known several transgendered people, and at least some of them i knew before they transitioned, and they always seemed to be the same person, only more so. (that is, once they became the "right" gender, their own sense of identity became stronger and surer.)

of course, i'm also the person who deals with each persona of a person with MPD as if they were truly individual people, even the sentient plant...