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19 January 2008 @ 09:39 pm
No films in NYC, please  
I have not yet seen Cloverfield. Don't worry about spoilering me; I already read the spoilers on purpose. This post really has little to do with Cloverfield aside from as one more point that leads to this request:

To all filmmakers: Please never film in New York City ever again. If you do, no matter what your film is about, no matter what you intend to say with your work, if you so much as scratch a building or scare three pedestrians in the same place, emotionally- and intellectually-retarded film critics will go to great lengths to explain how your film ties into 9/11. Frankly, I am so sick of hearing about how everything involving NYC automatically relates back to 9/11, I never want to see that city on film or video ever again.
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bronxelf_ag001 on January 20th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
You think *you're* sick of it?
I would prefer they stopped filming these kinds of movies here too.

But that's because I don't NEED to be reminded of what happened that day, and these kinds of films (showing the destruction of NYC) cause a very visceral and terrible reaction in me.

You may be sick of reading about it- I'm sick of FEELING it. You may be sick of reading about how everything ties in, but I'm here to tell you that when you film yet another "destruction in NYC" movie, a lot of us feel it in a way that you clearly don't get.

So yeah. I'm with you- let's stop making these films.


Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 20th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
Re: You think *you're* sick of it?
Nope, I don't feel it. I've never been in a city under attack, either, or in the midst of a major disruption or disaster. I suspect every movie of the week involving a hurricane pisses off NOLAnders, while volcano films are probably torturous for survivors from Mt. St. Helens.

My suggestion? Set the next monster eats town film in Jerusalem. Let's watch the Wailing Wall and the Dome of the Rock go down Godzilla's gullet for a change.
bronxelf_ag001 on January 20th, 2008 05:41 am (UTC)
Re: You think *you're* sick of it?
Right. My point though is since you've never experienced any of those things, though it IS true that the media hypes them bigger than any sense of reason (and makes it worse), the core point theyre trying to make, albeit badly, is real. It's not something you can understand unless and until it's happened to you.

PTSD, which is what we're ultimately talking about here, takes strange forms. I know a number of people, self included obviously, who have it to one degree or another and in all cases, what triggers it can be very benign, like the pattern of lines on a highway for example (this is a true case, though not about me.) But the reaction, once triggered is very real. I didn't go see I Am Legend for the same reason. I *cannot* watch these kinds of films anymore. I'd be all for them destroying ANYWHERE else in movies at this point.

And it's not pissed off, btw. Rudy Giuliani pisses me off. This isn't about anger. It's about fear. A fear, strangely, I didn't feel *AT THE TIME* or even afterwards, past September 11, 2001.

When I did the WNA show in London, we had a lot of images of terrorist attacks all over the world sent in from the Getty. They were *ALL* extremely graphic. Really, you couldn't get more brutal or violent than these pictures. And none of them fazed me. Except one. Out of the perhaps 25 images of that type we'd put on the walls, the ONLY one I *could not* look at, amidst the splattered brains, dismembered limbs, and utter destruction, was a shot that someone with a good zoom got of a jumper coming down from tower 1.

No blood, no gore, just a picture of a person in midair with a building behind them. And I found myself lightheaded and nauseated. I am by no means the only person in this city who has that reaction at this point, and I'd be just as happy for them to stop making movies like this here.

But the point is, the media for all its hype is not making this up. To some of us, particularly here, that's very real.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 20th, 2008 05:55 am (UTC)
Re: You think *you're* sick of it?
Right, I haven't experienced it, and I'm bloody sick of it. For you and other survivors of events like city-wide attacks, it's got to be unbearable.

I'm starting to think, though, that the media would liken a change in the regulated color of the paint for fire no-parking zones to 9/11. They'll do anything they can for ratings; seemingly nothing sells papers and draws eyes like a relation to 9/11. Why the hell is the American public so fascinated and trapped by it? I suppose it isn't a new characteristic, though. Looking back, we've never quite gotten over Pearl Harbor, either.
bronxelf_ag001 on January 20th, 2008 06:01 am (UTC)
Re: You think *you're* sick of it?
I think that most of the people who are so fascinated by it are *not* here. They've mythologized it, just as we did with Pearl Harbor. It isn't a real event to most them- it's something they saw on TV, and it's something they could grab onto to make their dicks stand up and their flags wave harder, but ultimately it was nothing more than just spectacle.

Everyone *I* know who was here? Would really like the rest of the country to shut the fuck up about it.

About a month ago I had to meet a friend in lower Manhattan for a photo shoot. I took the train past the WTC site(essentially under it, really) and I hadn't done that since before 2001. I realized on the train that I'd always gotten off a few stops before and walked past there rather than go under the site. It was so creepy I sent a text message out to someone noting it.

Ace Lightning: skyline02acelightning on January 20th, 2008 06:28 am (UTC)
it suddenly occurs to me that i have not been anywhere near "ground zero" myself, since well before the event. i just somehow have managed to not have to do anything that would take me there.

probably just as well. ask kythrain how i reacted(*) when he took me to the Gettysburg battlefield - and that was over a hundred years ago, and in a place i had no emotional connection to.


(*)i very nearly threw up.


Ace Lightning: skyline02acelightning on January 20th, 2008 06:23 am (UTC)
what about a happy, upbeat movie set in NYC, simply using it as an archetypal "big city", an exciting place for fun and adventure? (no, i am not talking about that piece of drek involving a Disney princess.) because that has always been my perception of The City, even when i lived there.

i agree completely, though, that the rest of the world should just SHUT THE FUCK UP about 9/11. let all of us who were affected, directly or indirectly, have some space to catch our breath; if you keep picking at the scab, it'll never heal.


Benjamin Leelbuckley on January 20th, 2008 09:14 pm (UTC)
I understand many films set in NYC are actually filmed in Toronto, CA. Perhasp someone can clue the film critics onto this, and they can theorize about the ties the film has with the CN tower, which is still standing, and why that's very, very important some how.

(When we stayed in Toronto last summer, a scene for a B film was done outside our flat, and they shipped in taxis and ambulances painted to look like the ones in NYC).