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23 May 2007 @ 11:26 am
"Democrats surrender in fight to surrender" -- Republicans to America  
So, apparently, that little mandate we gave the Democrats in the last election? The one where we as a people said, "We don't like this war, we don't like our kids fighting it, bring them home," remember that one? Yeah, they're backing down on that one.

Democratic leaders deny that this is a win for the White House. Democratic leadership can kiss my fat, fuzzy ass. Of COURSE it's a win for the White House. You're sending up a bill that doesn't require a timetable on pulling out US troops from Iraq. Oh, I'm sorry, there's supposed some finally declassified documents "proving" that Osama bin Unfound did in fact have ties to al-Qaeda groups in Iraq? So that's what changed your minds?

Let's address a couple of concerns:
1) What proof do you have that this document isn't something created by the Bush administration for specifically this purpose? It's not like we ever suffered from trumped-up bullshit "intelligence" regarding activities in Iraq before now, right?
2) What exactly does this have to do with anything? Al-Qaeda has cells active in most any country in the world. Iraq was less of a danger of becoming a terrorist haven before the invasion than it is now; are we leaving troops there to just go on making things worse?
3) You're talking about addressing the timetable issue in its own separate bill "later." Imbeciles, if Shrub will run the risk of vetoing a bill funding soldiers, courting further disfavor from those in the populace who've bought into the whole "supporting the troops means keeping them in Iraq at all costs" crowd, just so he can stick to his "no timetables" stance, do you seriously think you're going to pass a bill with nothing BUT a call for a pullout timetable?

Ladies and gentlemen, it's been said to you over and over again in the past, and I'm apparently a hopeless optimist to think that saying it again is going to matter: the Democrats are all part of the same entrenched power network. They will do nothing to risk their own positions. They do not serve your interests, merely their own selfish goals. If you want real change in a democratic system, you have GOT to sweep the entire capitol clean and only vote for those people who vigorously and unquestionably support legislation that will block the behind-the-scenes power-brokers and lobbyists from simply starting over with the new crowd. Mind you, your new crop WILL eventually be corrupted, but you might manage to stave it off long enough to get a little useful work done, first.
Current Mood: don't know why I'm surprised
Ruby Megmeglimir on May 23rd, 2007 05:47 pm (UTC)
i've been calling 'em demicans & republocrats for at least a decade now ...
Gordon Schumachereleccham on May 23rd, 2007 06:31 pm (UTC)
I went to a Halloween party in '04 as a Republicrat... brought little flyers with an elephonkey on it.
Ruby Megmeglimir on May 23rd, 2007 07:09 pm (UTC)
LOL - i'd love to see a picture of that!
The Archangel Robriel: Olaf's - Insanityarchanglrobriel on May 23rd, 2007 07:04 pm (UTC)
I completely agree. I am thoroughly disgusted with the Democrats and I'm not sure what to do about it, really. I found myself this morning thinking that at least, as wrongheaded as the Republicans are, I have to respect them for having the courage to stand up for their convictions. I just...I am absolutely jaw on the floor speechless.

What -exactly- is it going to take to get the people to wake up and demand change, do you think? After every event, I find myself thinking "Surely now the tide will turn and people will demand some action be taken.." and then nothing happens.
How do I stave off hopelessness in this sort of environment? That's what I'm strugging with now. It feels like we are too few to force the issue.
We're tied to stampeding horses who are going over a cliff and no amount of pulling on the reins appears to get their attention in the least.
Ruby Megmeglimir on May 23rd, 2007 07:15 pm (UTC)
if historical statistics and their interpreters are to be believed, there will be rather a lot of revolutionary unpleasantness around 2010-2012. people will wake up all at once, very suddenly, when it's too late to make gradual changes to resolve all the problems built up. there's yer cliff :( just wish we knew what sort of parachute to have on hand.
Gordon Schumacher: politicseleccham on May 23rd, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
Some thoughts on this, put better than I manage...
Ace Lightning: flagacelightning on May 23rd, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC)
i think that's the biggest flaw in the two-party system: eventually both parties become nothing more than machines for using mass media to mislead the public. throw the rascals out - throw ALL the rascals out - and get a fresh set of rascals.

Wolfteddywolf on May 25th, 2007 06:55 pm (UTC)
I would like to point out that there's a lot of baby going out in your bathwater above. The Dems have passed a lot of legislation these past four months, and I like a goodly chunk of it. Yes, excoriate them for this failure, it's a big one; but above you make it sound like they've done absolutely nothing good. You and I hold many similar political beliefs, Trav, and I know you haven't been pissed over every or even many pieces of law the Dems have managed to pass the past few months.

I listened to the Democratic Party reasons for dropping the ball. I am still mad at them for dropping the timetable and hard benchmarks, but I was caught cold by this: they stated that they believe that if funding is not made available, that George W Bush would leave the troops in Iraq without funding. He wouldn't bring them home.

If they really believe this to be the case, then I am not really surprised that they blinked. Playing chicken with the pResident with soldiers lives in the balance is the worst game ever - for the military. Should that be their honest belief, then they weighed the damage wroght by George Bush's fit of pique and found it to be less important than getting more armor and equipment to the soldiers. Yes, the caveat applies.

Of course, maybe they can get a little revenge by promising both full funding and a removal of benchmarks for No Child Left Behind. Hey, if you can fund the war that way, why not the schools?