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12 April 2007 @ 04:53 pm
Imus in the Mourning?  
I'm going to make one post on the whole Don Imus thing and that's all. Imus's show has been cancelled by CBS, per CNN.

Now, he said a mean thing that the players of the basketball team took offense at, yes. He was insensitive.

Boo fucking hoo.

He's been fired for calling a women's basketball team "nappy-headed ho's." For that, he has lost his sponsors, his outlets, and now his employment. Essentially, he's been fired for being an asshole on the air.

Wasn't that what he was being paid for, though?

He was a shock-jock. He was paid to be a jerk, a curmudgeon, and basically an opinionated ass. You don't have to like his opinions, but so long as you're listening to them, then you're employing him. You're thinking.

What boggles me is not that he finally pissed off someone to the point that they pulled enough strings to get him fired. What gets me is what it was that tripped him. He didn't say "nigger." He didn't call them "cocksuckers." He didn't make any comments about their sexuality, he didn't make any political commentary libeling them as traitors or Communists or suggesting that they're baby killing pro-abortionists.

He called a basketball team "nappy-headed ho's," two terms that members of the black community use on each other ALL THE TIME. Of all the shit Don Imus has said over the years, "nappy-headed ho's" is what lost him his job.

Folks, I don't like the guy, I don't like what he says, and I voted with my ears by not listening to him. Still... this? Fire him, fine, but of all the things he's said, this is what you scream over, people?

Yet again, like with so many things, I do not get it.

Edited to add:

Oh, one more thing. Ask yourself this, seriously: If the team he'd insulted had been an Arab-American soccer side, and if he'd called them something equally stupid like "towel-headed camel jockeys," would you still be offended enough to call for him to be fired? If the target of his tongue had been a Canadian hockey team and he'd called them "cracker pillow-biters," do you think he'd have lost his show? Or is it more than coincidence that he lost his job because his target this time was a team of African-American women? Think about it.
 
 
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bronxelf_ag001 on April 12th, 2007 10:47 pm (UTC)
You forgot "local".

LOCAL team of....

Yes, there was national outcry. But he lost his job over the outcry *here*. WFAN (owned by CBS) is a sports station. All sports, all the time. He had sports fans- local, rabid sports fans tuning in the day after the Lady Knights lost the championship game, and that was when he let loose with the comment. Bad timing on his part. Then again I thought he stopped being funny about 25 years ago.

Really though, he's only going to be offered a sattelite radio gig in the next couple weeks anyway. It's not like this is ending his career. And even if it did- he's a multi millionaire. He's been on the air since the 1970's with a huge fan base. He doesn't *need* any more money.

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 12th, 2007 11:54 pm (UTC)
I don't want Imus held up as some kind of standard-bearer for satellite radio as the "last bastion of truly free speech." He's no flag carrier, despite his charity work. I listened to his show several times and found it boring. That's what kills me about this whole thing; compared to what rappers and pro athletes say about women on a regular basis, Imus's comment was mild. Where's the outrage from the oh so Reverend Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson against them? No, the only leading black figure to speak out against that nonsense has been Bill Cosby, who was roundly decried as a crank for speaking out against his "own people."

The whole thing is stupid. That's what bothers me; it's just so damned stupid.
bronxelf_ag001 on April 13th, 2007 12:01 am (UTC)
Al Sharpton is a hypocrite.

In other breaking news, water is wet.

Who doesn't know this already?

Fuck it- Imus already has a deal in place with Sirius for 25 mil a year. He didn't have to break his contract with CBS and he gets a substantial pay bump.

Tempest, meet teacup.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 12:21 am (UTC)
Where's the news posted about Imus signing with Sirius? I haven't seen anything on that, of yet.
bronxelf_ag001 on April 13th, 2007 12:30 am (UTC)
I caught it elsewhere on LJ- havent sourced it yet(I should have mentioned that) HOWEVER. I will lay $10 down right now that he signs on very publicly with satellite within 2 weeks.

It's clear Sirius wanted Imus in the past. (that much is easily found with a fast google search.) They'll take him now too.
Steve McKnellydenali1 on April 13th, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
It'll be interesting to see how that works, considering it's well known Howard Stern (who is on Sirius now) hates Imus' guts with a passion. It'd be less of a surprise if he went to XM with his (Imus) pals Andrew & Opie.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 02:52 pm (UTC)
Actually, that won't matter soon as Sirius and XM are merging into one service. Stern can hate Imus all he likes, but he's a businessman first and foremost. If he thinks satellite radio will profit by having Imus, then there will be Imus on satellite radio.
craigers01 on April 13th, 2007 04:39 pm (UTC)
Fire him or don't fire him, it has no effect on me. He insulted people and it possed someone off enough to say something. Imus may just be a victom of a "slow news day", but whatever. He's got the freedom to say anything he wants to, and he shouldn't apologize unless he wants to. Of course, that doesn't mean that the medium in which he spewed forth his message is obligated to help him get his opinion spread across the airways.

In other words, Imus has the right to be sexist and racist. And CNBC has a right to not air him. I'm completly fine with how that went down.

What I don't like is that Imus had to apologize to Sharpton?!? WTH is that all about? And was Sharpton representing all the nappy-headed people in the world when he accepted the apology, or was he representing all the Ho's?
craigers01 on April 13th, 2007 04:41 pm (UTC)
I really need to start spell checking before I hit submit. *possed = pissed.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC)
(laughing) Well said.
Ace Lightning: radio tower animationacelightning on April 13th, 2007 02:20 am (UTC)
i worked with Imus in 1973, when he was first getting really famous in NYC. (i know i've told you My Imus Story.) he's an even bigger asshole off the air. and he applied a racially and sexually insulting phrase to the Rutgers women's basketball team - who are very good, btw - because he's fundamentally a racist, sexist, trash-talking shitkicker. in fact, he's based his entire career on being a racist, sexist, trash-talking shitkicker. (not that Al Sharpton is much of a prize - he seems to have based his career on taking offense at white people.) now Imus can join his clone Howard Stern on Sirius - i'm not interested in paying to listen to either of 'em.

nata5 on April 13th, 2007 03:49 am (UTC)
Yea.. let me pull my Ice Cube, NWA, Ice T, etc etc etc mp3s and lets see what they have said over the years. Hey lets listen to what the black communities current rappers call women and how they refer to each other. Oh.. but its okay for them to say these things.. yea double standards are great!

I sometimes wonder how much racisim is actually kept alive by the black community.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 01:23 pm (UTC)
I sometimes wonder how much racisim is actually kept alive by the black community.

Which is part of my point here, yeah. Where's the outrage about that? Where are the calls for the silencing of hardcore gansta rappers from the Revs. Sharpton or Jackson? Bill Cosby speaks up saying that their behavior is hurting their own segment of the populace and he's labeled an insane old crank. It reeks of hypocrisy to me.
silver splits the blue: OutOfTheDarkashbet on April 13th, 2007 12:44 pm (UTC)
>>>He didn't make any comments about their sexuality,

Um, "ho" = "whore" . . . so that is a comment about their sexuality.

And I'd have wanted him fired for the Arab remark too (although I am quite honestly laughing about the pillow-biters, mostly because Kyle loves to insult Canadian hockey teams, heh) . . . then again, I hate "shock jocks" and really have no patience with them.

I am probably not his target audience, which is fine with me.

But, yeah -- I think that's patronizing, racist, and insulting, and I think that he's being paid to keep his "shockingness" within certain limits (for example, he's not allowed to actually swear, right?), and that he crossed a line with this comment.

OTOH, I have no idea what he's said about other teams in the past, so I can only react to this publicized comment -- I probably wouldn't be happy with his show in general if I heard it. *shrugs*

-- A (not generally a knee-jerk liberal, but this is more of a "WTF was he thinking?" moment)
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
I won't argue the point about "ho" being a comment on someone's sexuality. I can see your point, though I originally meant that in the sense of homo/hetero/bisexuality.

However, you're illustrating my point when you say:
...he crossed a line with this comment.
and:
I have no idea what he's said about other teams in the past...

He didn't limit his comments to sports topics. His show, while on a sports radio station, ran the gamut from sports to books to politics, pretty much covering anything media- or culture-related. He didn't limit his insults, either, and this latest one, the one that you say "crossed a line," was frankly mild compared to much of what he's said in the past.

As I said, think about the details. Consider the elements that led to his dismissal. This time, he said something about black women. Again, compared to what he's said about other people, this is relatively mild, so why was THIS bad enough to get him canned when far worse comments went comparatively un-noticed by the general public? Was it the straw that broke the camel's back, or was this an instance of a double-standard at work?
silver splits the blue: CrystalBallashbet on April 13th, 2007 01:28 pm (UTC)
I honestly am not qualified to answer this, because I actively avoid this type of show (and I'm happy that I do!)

I won't argue that the publicity regarding this incident is behind the firing, but I have to wonder *why* these other remarks that he made in the past weren't considered to be as "offensive" . . . I'd love to see a list of them somewhere so that I could make a judgment.

-- A <3
Steve McKnellydenali1 on April 13th, 2007 03:14 pm (UTC)
Let me start this by saying I flat out hate Imus. Always have, always will. I don't know if I ever told you about my grandfather on my father's side of the family, but Imus is just like him. All the things AceLightning said about him in her comment is what my paternal grandfather was like.

So I admit I'm biased.

However, with that in mind, you asked the question if had been some other racist remark, would I have called for him to be fired?

You know me and you know my answer. Simply yes. Even if it had been someone else, such as Bill O'reilly when he called Mexicans "wetbacks" in 2003, I said he should be fired. You know what? The English languarge is flexible enough you can talk forever and find something to say that would shock somebody without having to resort to denegrating any race.

Secondly, he deals with the public just like I do. If I did the same thing with customer or their clients, I would be fired. Why should he be held to a higher standard than some Joe off the street? What makes him so special that being intolerant of someone's race, disability, sexual preference or any other protected class should prevent him from being fired for crossing the line? Because he's a shock jock? Big whoop. Stern lost his ride on Clear Channel in 2004 for a caller who made racist comments. Rush Limbaugh (who isn't a shock jock) lost his job at ESPN for his comments about Donovan McNabb. I guarentee you if you look at the policies for all three of these employers, they have some provision for firing someone for making these kind of remarks. Forget about the bullshit you see as far as people calling for his firing and so forth. In the end it doesn't matter one damn bit how many people scream for someone's head, but rather if someone violated a corporate policy. He did and he was fired for it. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson be damned.

On the other hand, Imus did say one thing out of this I will agree with. He said he "apologized enough". He had his meeting with the team and it was characterized by their coach as productive. Imus has said he will not go on any talk show tours about the issue and he isn't going to apologize anymore. I agree with this. He's done. He's apologized, been punished and is moving on. It's time for the rest of us to do the same thing.
docjeff on April 13th, 2007 04:31 pm (UTC)
Thank you for this.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC)
That can mean many things. It can mean:
"Thank you for posting a thought-provoking article; while I have no opinion on it as of yet, I will consider the situation."
"Thank you for posting this; I agree with it and feel you have illustrated what is wrong in this situation."
or
"Thank you for posting this as it illustrates what a complete jackass you are and serves as evidence to others that you are not a person to whom intelligent people should listen."
docjeff on April 13th, 2007 04:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you for stating more eloquently what I'm feeling about this stupidity than I am currently able to say in my own words.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on April 13th, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC)
Ahh, that one. Fair enough, and you're welcome. :)