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08 January 2007 @ 07:56 am
Just curious  
Is there such a thing as "narcissistic paranoia?"
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bronxelf_ag001 on January 8th, 2007 02:23 pm (UTC)
Paranoia is often a defining feature of narcissism.

You prob'ly think this song is about you....
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
I didn't see distinct paranoia as an element listed in the description of NPD to which you linked. Still, if you think everyone around you is jealous of you, that would be paranoid if not diagnostically paranoiac.
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Pete: Artist at workgreendalek on January 8th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC)
What a fascinating idea for a research grant!
If it's not actually a clinical term, then you probably need look no further than USENET to find a few thousand cases...
bronxelf_ag001 on January 8th, 2007 02:30 pm (UTC)
Re: What a fascinating idea for a research grant!
Re: What a fascinating idea for a research grant! - twfarlan on January 8th, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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Tom Smithfilkertom on January 8th, 2007 02:38 pm (UTC)
Why, of all the people in this world, are you asking ME???
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 02:45 pm (UTC)
(laughing) Narcissistic Opera Diva: "Me me me me..."
rickvsrickvs on January 8th, 2007 03:09 pm (UTC)
I think that'd be defined as the belief that, "I have painted a target on myself, since my excellence puts me head and shoulders above everyone else."
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 03:40 pm (UTC)
Sounds about what I was thinking, yeah.
Erin: Holiday psych helplivethlfe on January 8th, 2007 03:12 pm (UTC)
From my experience with people with NPD and PPD (paranoid personality disorder) as well as paranoid schizophrenia, I haven't seen or heard of a clear case of paranoia mixed with narcissism. The distinction I see based on my own studies and experiences is that someone who's paranoid is 1.) worried about things that are completely impossible and 2.) feels that their beliefs (paranoias) are that someone/something is out to cause harm. Narcissistic people may believe things that are completely impossible (like this song is completely about ME), but they see it as a positive thing. "This song is about me because I'm the greatest thing on this planet!" rather than, "This song is about me because the people who are trying to kill me are using it to convey a threat." (a literal example of a former client)

Ultimately people who I've known with NPD do have an underlying anxiety about being ignored or neglected or just unloved, hence why the narcissistic traits become evident: it may be an overcompensation to decrease anxiety. This, however, isn't severe enough to be classified as paranoia. The clinical distinction between paranoia and anxiety is that a paranoid person experiences intense fears of something that is completely impossible (like one of my clients who's convinced that if he so much as logs on the internet, the feds are going to arrest him for pedophilia. He's seen one to many Dateline "To Catch a Predator" episodes). Anxiety, however, is an intense fear of something that may actually happen (like right now I'm experiencing anxiety over the possibility that I'll burn out again this semester like I did last semester - it's very possible).

So... why do you ask? :)
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 03:38 pm (UTC)
So, have you noted any mixes of, "I'm so wonderful that people hate me due to jealousy; everytime I come into the room, they all stop talking and then start whispering so they're plotting against me because of how amazing I am"?

Oh, why did I ask? Oh, surely no reason at all. Why, there's no one particular person who made me ask. Not at all. (innocent smile)
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thatwordgrrl on January 8th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC)
Absolutely yes.

Borderline Personality Disorder is a classic example of this - a mix of paranoia and narcissism.

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 03:39 pm (UTC)
Hmm. Not that we know anyone in common who might ought to seek help for this. :) No, not at all.
Jon Reidcrossfire on January 8th, 2007 04:21 pm (UTC)
You're just jealous, that's all. You're just jealous because you can't hear the voices.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 06:13 pm (UTC)
HA! Jon, you and everyone else better hope I don't start listening to those fucking voices. There are times when I'm one bad day away from a hooded green cloak and a metal mask, man.
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Life Rebooted: absurdityhopeforyou on January 8th, 2007 08:53 pm (UTC)
What if I'm paranoid that a narcissist is going to fuck up my life?

Where does that put me in the manual?
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on January 8th, 2007 09:02 pm (UTC)
You act like one hasn't already fucked up your life.
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Ace Lightning: brainacelightning on January 8th, 2007 09:51 pm (UTC)
well, in a sense, all paranoia is narcissistic, because it implies that the paranoid individual is important enough to be singled out for extraordinary levels of surveillance and/or persecution. i know someone who calls me up whenever his computer does anything he doesn't understand, because if he doesn't understand it, he jumps to the conclusion that it must mean that "they" are reading his email and recording his visits to pr0n sites. every time, i have to tell him, "your email, and your fondness for pictures of nekkid wimmin, are of absolutely no interest to the local police, the FBI, or Interpol. they've got far better things to do, and you're not important enough for them to chase!"

i'm not sure, but i believe that classsic paranoia can also include "delusions of grandeur" - like bipolar disorder, it has both an "up" and a "down" side. unfortunately, my resident psychologist is busy at the moment, so i can't just call or text him and ask ;-)