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15 November 2006 @ 01:55 pm
Ducayne: Wiccans R teh 3v1l!!!one!  
I think anyone who reads my journal on even an irregular basis knows how I feel about ignorance, Crosstians, and especially ignorant Crosstians. (Reminder: if you quote Paul more than you quote Jesus, you're well on your way to being a Crosstian.)

Today's example and my response are due to my new best friend, Judy Ducayne of Auburn, New York's "The Citizen." By the way, two caveats:

1) I've been all through that region of New York. I can't claim to be even slightly surprised at this sort of crap coming from there. If you live in that area and take issue with that, you need to either move out of that area or wake up and smell the stupid.
2) If you are a Christian, good for you. Read what this woman has to say and then argue with me that she isn't slandering your religion as much as she is anyone else's before you bitch me out for saying what I said.

First, a link to Ms. Ducayne's editorial entitled "Wiccans worship demons" or column or whatever you want to call it so you can read it for yourself.

Below the following cut tag is my response, posted as well in the reader comments section of the column page.

I would like to thank Judy Ducayne for her editorial regarding the nature of Wiccans. Without the example of people like Ducayne, many people would not realize that ignorance, intolerance, closed-mindedness and superstitious fear of the Bogeyman are the qualities of Christianity and those who choose it. Ms. Ducayne and those like her, such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, are guiding lights in our society, helping people see that Christianity is a dying behemoth, irrelevant to modern human civilization. Without these examples of the truth behind Christian love, Wicca would not be the fastest growing religion in these United States. Thanks again, Judy, and keep it up. With people like you, at least we know our opponents are never going to outsmart us.
Current Mood: half amused, half disgusted
Current Music: James - Say Something
Tom Smithfilkertom on November 15th, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
Whew. That's... whew.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on November 15th, 2006 08:34 pm (UTC)
Gotta give her credit. She doesn't skimp on the ignorant bile.
ravenskye8: Basketravenskye8 on November 15th, 2006 08:37 pm (UTC)
That's just...
Jennifer Danielsjennwarren on November 15th, 2006 09:08 pm (UTC)
I just need to say that I love your icon. I know it's so not on topic.
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Jessmarinebear on November 15th, 2006 08:41 pm (UTC)
in regards to her ... column.. Im going to go with a brief response.. she is not very well informed nor a good christian. shes a bad christian. :)

in regards to your response short and too the point though I really liked the one that followed yours she really let her have it. in an intelligent way.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on November 15th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
The really long one, the point by point disassembling of Ducayne's nonsense? Yeah, she took the time to tear it all down intelligently. Me, I just went for pithy snark.
(no subject) - marinebear on November 15th, 2006 08:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Jennifer Danielsjennwarren on November 15th, 2006 08:45 pm (UTC)
Yup, she does a pretty good job of making my religion sound hideous.

In my view, there are two sects of Christians. Those who adhere to the strict, most literal definition of the bible that they know and are taught, and thus, everything not Christian is evil. They espouse hatred, and intolerance. (And, in effect, are also not Christian. That part seems to escape their notice however.)

Then there are those who listen to the message of the bible and the morals that Jesus has passed on. In my understanding, that was to love, to cherish, to help, to heal and to forgive.

I have accepted Jesus and God as my personal religion, but I believe that God is bigger than what I (or any human) can comprehend. In my world, people who are 'not Christian' are still worshipping my God, but through the prism of their own belief system, and God, who doesn't need to be defined or restricted to one religion or word, is content with that. That's my personal belief, and I don't attempt to foist it on anyone else. If only more people were like that. I'm sure in the eyes of the first sect of Christians I spoke of, I'd probably be considered a heretic. :)

Unfortunately, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Too bad it isn't that the nail that juts out gets whacked with a hammer. That would be nice.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on November 15th, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
Like I've said before: there are Christians who follow Jesus and Crosstians who follow Paul. The former are usually quite nice. The latter have been uniformally moronic so far as my experience has gone, and also trend towards claiming that they are the only true Christians.
Jennifer Danielsjennwarren on November 15th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC)
I've never heard the term Crosstian. It's a new one on me. I take it those then are the people who take the bible as literal truth and go more from the later disciples rather than from the words of Jesus as we know it?
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Crosstian - greendalek on November 16th, 2006 04:42 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Crosstian - twfarlan on November 16th, 2006 05:07 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Crosstian - twfarlan on November 16th, 2006 05:24 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Sooozieeepiscosubito on November 15th, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)
Wow was my first thought - then, I did as another poster said, and checked to see if this was a real article.

Just makes me sad to see how people can twist and turn things around to make it suit their own misguided, uninformed agenda. It also made me sad to see the few comments that agreed with her. At least they were mostly drowned out by everyone else.

It's also pretty sad that whatever idiot runs that paper allowed it to print at all.
Ace Lightning: Priestessacelightning on November 15th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
(excuse me a moment, until the steam stops coming out of my ears...)

several people asked Ms. Ducayne whether she would say that Hindus or Muslims worship "false gods" or "demons"; alas, someone like Ducayne actually believes that. i've had far too many encounters with people who claim that their deity is, indeed, The One And Only True God, and every other belief system is the result of Satan and/or his subordinates pretending to be god/desses in order to trick human beings into turning away from TOAOTG. people like this are against diversity and tolerance; if there's only One True Way, then all other "ways" are evil, and must be stamped out.

i'm going to circulate this article on a couple of mailing lists i'm on. that noise you'll soon hear will be the sound of steam coming out of many more pairs of ears...

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on November 15th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC)
Point them here if you like, so we can hear them after the steam finishes squealing.
Ace Lightning: Priestessacelightning on November 16th, 2006 12:21 pm (UTC)
i'm not going to enter a comment on that webpage - for one thing, others have long since said everything relevant; for another, Ducayne won't pay any attention anyway. and i'm not going to put the URL for this LJ page on the mailing lists, because you really don't want the signal-to-noise ratio. instead, i'll post any particularly meaningful responses here myself, suitably edited for privacy, if that's all okay with you.

(no subject) - acelightning on November 18th, 2006 09:43 am (UTC) (Expand)
L Alouisadkins on November 15th, 2006 10:36 pm (UTC)
I am curious to see if they actually post my commentary..

If anyone is curious, my response was as follows:

I find it sad that you apparently feel the need to attack another religion. Are you insecure in your faith? Printing such libelous statements is a disgraceful act, in my opinion. If you have an argument, present it with facts and references. Presenting the public with lies and misleading statements is not a way, in the end, to truly be a good Christian.

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on November 15th, 2006 10:45 pm (UTC)
It's there.